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Virginia is the kind of place you read

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about in short stories

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the kind of place every author likes to

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claim that he grew up with a Paces slow

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and the traffic is light

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where the town Elders have their special

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spot to watch Life go by place where

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everyone knows everyone else

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two strangers with a TV Camera could be

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the source of curiosity and a little

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suspicion

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it's a place with one Main Street where

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everyone shops

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and one radio station to which everyone

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from Patty Loveless if you were to set

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out to find UFOs you probably wouldn't

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come here

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a series of UFO sightings is called a

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flap and this one began here the

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Junctions of interstates 77 and 81 just

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outside of town it was October 7 1987 a

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Wednesday night

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four sheriff's deputies and a local

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police chief looked up and saw a bright

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red and green light hovering silently in

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the night sky

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then suddenly it darted to a new

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location and hovered again

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all five were former military men and

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insisted that what they had seen could

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not have been a plane or a helicopter

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they filed a report but would never

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agree to talk about it again

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not far away on that October night high

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school students had gathered for a pep

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rally around a bonfire for that

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weekend's football game

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one was Lori Williamson whatever it was

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in the sky that night she and her

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friends saw it too we were just standing

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there talking and all of a sudden I just

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looked up and I noticed a couple of

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other people looking up it wasn't like a

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plane it was more triangular side but it

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looked it was really big and you could

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see everything and

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um there was no noise I don't know what

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it was but it was it didn't look like a

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plane

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the next morning at wybe radio news

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director Danny Gordon was making his

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beat calls checking what had gone on

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overnight but Gordon says he wasn't

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quite ready for what the sheriff told

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him I had four deputies and the chief of

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police of the town of row Retreat saw an

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identified flying objects last time and

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I said oh sheriff come on you're kidding

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me and I laughed he said no I'm serious

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Danny Gordon knew a good story when he

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heard it and he broadcast it on wyve

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he also fed it to the wire services and

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in the days following stations around

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the state began broadcasting it too one

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of them Wavy TV

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but the story had only just begun two

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days later an even more bizarre sighting

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reported to the sheriff they had a

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report the sheriff's department did a

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car being run off the road by a round

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circular aircraft just north of

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Westville and Graham's Forge the sheriff

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himself confirmed it was credible people

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and they were unfamiliar with the

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previous signing so therefore there was

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no reason for a copycat signing other

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sightings would follow won by a state

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police dispatcher so two weeks after the

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first UFO report a skeptical Gordon and

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his old friend Roger Hall decided to

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check things out for themselves

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with a 35 millimeter still camera and a

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camcorder they set off on a night ride

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in the hills for two hours they traveled

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the back roads and areas where sightings

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had been reported but they came up empty

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cold and tired they headed back to town

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it was 8 45 pm on October 21st

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and we pulled off here in this driveway

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and stopped and we're just sitting there

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for a second when Danny seen an object

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coming across the sky right there in

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front of us and it was a craft as big as

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couple football bills about six to nine

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hundred feet long the leagues we're

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talking humongous crafts we base that on

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and I watched it go over a couple houses

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range style houses and if it had failed

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it would obliterate to them that's how

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big it was it was absolutely no sound to

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it

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feet and less than a thousand feet away

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the craft as it went away from us we

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noticed the Dome shape in the back had

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three picture-winded like lights in the

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back

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but when the object disappeared out of

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sight Hall and Gordon looked at each

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other in disbelief they had found what

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they were searching for and neither had

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remembered the cameras we had our

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cameras ready to go when we jumped out

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of the car yet we never took a

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photograph we're still asking ourselves

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today why didn't you take a photograph

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and I said why didn't you we don't know

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all I can say is I was just too

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dumbfounded to get a camera and take a

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picture and I kicked myself because it

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probably been enough to retire on but

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now Danny and Roger wouldn't be the last

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to see these lights soon wyve radio was

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being flooded with calls from people who

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had looked up and seen something they

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couldn't explain people here in Webb

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County have reacted differently to the

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sightings and it's amazing how many

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people have seen something some simply

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refuse to talk about it at all to others

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it's no big deal it's as if oh yeah

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there it is again then there are those

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who are fascinated and maybe just a

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little Disturbed at what they've seen

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because for the life of them they don't

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know what it is exactly

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ten minutes to land this thing is when

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it's a punctual little UFO one of those

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is read of art she and her husband run a

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service station and live near a ridge

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outside of town

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she says she's seen many objects

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including the one described by Danny

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Gordon often called the mothership all

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of a sudden it just barely moves and

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there's one Spotlight on one end it

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comes on shines it light down in there

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then another one comes out

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we just barely moves

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it's right up in here and it takes off

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down now as big as these things are

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there would be a tremendous North we'd

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be able to hear

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and you heard there's no noise

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whatsoever but Rita and her husband and

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neighbors have also seen objects shaped

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like arrows and at least one saucer my

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dogs were embarking about 12 o'clock

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that night when I saw the disc

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and it was right over here on the Ridge

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and like I said it was going around like

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this had all different color lights

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red green white blue

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was going around like this very slow

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and now my dogs was still barking you

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know goes behind the rich then she when

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Mary Jane Williamson has her own

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business she is a court reporter who

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lives in the city of Wytheville itself

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most of them we've seen over this tree

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and over the house

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into the lights or as far as you can see

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Mary Jane has seen so many UFOs that

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it's gotten to be something of a

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neighborhood event once she moved a

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birthday party to her front lawn so as

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not to miss them so about half an hour

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later we brought the picnic table up

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here and brought her birthday cake out

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here being real silly the object she and

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her neighbors have seen most often is

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similar to the one seen by her daughter

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Lori on that first night at the pep

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rally this is a recreation of it we were

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just we were standing right here and the

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lights just emerged over the tree I mean

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so it can't be real high it had a

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a semicircular front of white lights and

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there were white lights about halfway

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down the sides then red lights on and

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across the back it was

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it the back was sort of squared up and a

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little red flashing light

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right in the center Mary Jane took a

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series of pictures and said the only

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time she's ever been worried was when

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she saw four objects in the sky at the

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same time well

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the most part she's like most everyone

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else in with county she doesn't have the

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foggiest idea what they are but she'd

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sure like to know some of them I don't

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you know what it is and what I think

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they are Danny Gordon still hears about

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some 50 UFO sightings per month experts

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say 80 percent of most sightings can be

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easily explained only five percent truly

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are Mysteries but in with county still

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that would be 150 sightings there are at

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least two groups in this country serious

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groups looking into UFO sightings and

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trying to figure out what they are

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including one here on the north side of

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Chicago this is probably the best known

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one in the United States it's called the

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who foses run almost totally by

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volunteers and has earned respect for

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its work explaining UFOs it was founded

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by the late Dr J Allen heineck an Air

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Force consultant during its Project Blue

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Book UFO studies behind you are the case

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files in its filing room tens of

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thousands of citing reports after you

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get a UFO sighting and then you can't

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explain it after studying that what you

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have is an unknown so what do you do

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with an unknown well one of the best

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ways to study it is to compare it to

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other unknowns and that's just what we

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wanted to know out of the with County

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sightings compare with other reports

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three thousand sightings in a couple of

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years is is very large compared to other

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you know let's say periods and moments

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in UFO history and locations rodiger

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says many are probably copycat sightings

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but not reported maliciously people are

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sensitized to UFOs when they see the

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stories in the newspaper they begin to

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look at the sky they see something they

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can't explain because they never look at

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the sky anyway and they report it as a

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UFO it's hard to imagine and I've read

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the book by Danny Gordon's that all of

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these sightings were were of that type

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there do seem to be some unexplained

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reports there and this is a drawing in

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the book I wanted to know if these UFOs

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had ever been seen any other place than

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with counties how common were they first

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the mothership the what has been

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reported are blimp or cigar shaped

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objects and typically large

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place the strobe light on the top the

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white lights on the bottom the cockpit

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those are not very common next the

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object Mary Jane Williamson reported all

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decked out in lights there are reports

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uh of slow-moving large objects that are

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outlined only by lights in other words I

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would assume this woman couldn't see any

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object itself all she saw was the Dark

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Mask just the dark mass of kind of

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blocking the sky

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um that's I can't say it's common it's

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been reported before finally Rita Watts

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saucer saucers are quite common Mark was

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more interested in her dog barking at it

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the animal reaction is one of the ways

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that we use to tell whether an event

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might have been real dogs particularly

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not so much cats or what have you but

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dogs seem to react to the presence of

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the UFO in at least half the cases

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where a dog is outside kufos didn't

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investigate the with County sightings

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but Buffon did Mutual UFO network has

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members in every state and 50 foreign

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countries the group uses six categories

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to classify the sightings it looks into

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ranging from fully explained or proven

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hoax to extraordinary evidence that

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cannot be explained mufon put the with

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County sightings dead in the middle

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indeterminate interesting but not enough

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to go on but how about the folks in with

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county what do they think is going on

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well it has to be the military otherwise

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they'd be down here trying to find out

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what it is that is the most common

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theory here people here are used to

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military jets they see and hear them all

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the time up along that Ridge as a matter

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of fact that's where a lot of the UFOs

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have been spotted as well it's right

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above an interstate very heavily Used

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military training route runs through

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military jets from all over use it

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including those from NAS Oceana and

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Langley Air Force Base we're getting

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dive bombed all summer

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they scared of the cows and they scared

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the kids and

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but the Jets make noise lots of it the

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UFOs don't what we're seeing has no

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soundness whip no sound

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as big as they are

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you'd be deep if it has sound to it Paul

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Dellinger did hear something when he saw

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the object he's been the bureau chief

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here for his Roanoke newspaper for 25

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years I had just pulled into the

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driveway here and I saw what looked like

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a street light down there in the trees

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and I realized there wasn't a street

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light in the trees once again it was the

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now familiar Mothership unlike many of

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the people who reported yes I did hear

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what sounded like an airplane motor a

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long object with lights with a small

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airplane motor could be a familiar

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object how about a blimp Airship

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Industries builds them in North Carolina

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but no one has ever admitted flying a

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blimp here when the sightings were

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reported nor why a blimp would fly so

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low at night in the mountains

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another explanation has also been

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offered lights that come together in the

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sky and fly in formation could be lights

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from two planes during aerial refueling

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the Tennessee Air National Guard says it

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was using two air refueling areas near

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whip County AR 600 and 601 when the

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sightings began

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that undoubtedly explains some well the

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exercises are a twenty thousand feet or

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higher Witnesses insist the lights they

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saw were much lower but could they be

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mistaken none of the explanations

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offered satisfied the folks we talked to

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people like Roger Hall who have seen the

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objects are still waiting for an answer

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you know I don't care what anybody

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thinks about what I tell them I know

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what I've seen

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County drug task force was busy this

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past weekend but with County UFO flap

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seems to be dying down no one is happier

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than Danny Gordon he found himself The

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Unofficial UFO Guru of Southwest

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Virginia 24 His Radio reports on the

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sightings won many awards but it exacted

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a toll there were the threatening

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letters some of the phone calls warning

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that he was learning too much he says

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his house was broken into twice once the

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thieves stole his negatives of a UFO

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it strained his relations with his wife

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and family well the attention got such

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that she decided she should take a

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little girl and leave for a while until

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it died down so she left for about a

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period of full months until thing kind

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of smoothed over so Gordon and Paul

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Dellinger co-authored a book warning

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don't look up in fact I'm telling people

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if you look up be careful who you tell

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and how you get involved with it because

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a lot of people do say you know what's

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wrong with Danny whenever the subject is

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as controversial as UFOs there's

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sometimes a tendency to regard the

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people involved as being just a little

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kooky but if there's one thing that

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impressed photographer art Khan and I

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about the people we spoke with both on

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and off camera it's how terribly normal

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they were no one claims to have been

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abducted by aliens in fact the most

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likely explanation to most people is

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that the UFOs are somehow tied to the

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government all they know is they've seen

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something they cannot explain

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they sure would like somebody to tell

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them what it is but maybe the sightings

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should stay unexplained maybe is Kathy

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Bowden Woodward says we all need to have